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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 11:53am
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who's that by? there are a few in this thread that it would be nice to know who wrote/sang.

Like Sweet Virginia - Lou Reed? Allmans? I'm sure neither.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Dec 27, 2006 12:08pm
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Sorry- to credit the rest of my picks...

The Pusher- Steppenwolf
Venalator Blues- Stones (also off Exile)
Drift Away- Dobie Gray
This Must be the Place- Talking Heads
Long Time Coming- CSN

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 12:16pm
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got to admit if it ain't the boys or Dylan I'm lost - I really have never listened to anything else in my life - I know it's sad

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:00pm
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ducats-
Don't feel bad. I thought I'd had a pretty wide exposure to the music of my day, actually took pride in it, but I can name three different occasions that come to mind when it became clear just how limited my knowledge was---and that was plainly because it started and ended with Grateful Dead music as far as I was concerned:

Alpine Valley '83/Dear Mr. Fantasy-I asked somebody a couple of steps down the hill from me what it was, was told it was an old Traffic song, reported that to one of my friends with me who said, "Yeah, I know!"

Another Alpine Valley show circa '85/Keep On Growin'-a whole herd of us were unfamiliar with it, but fortunately a guitar aficionado college buddy who was at his first GD show nnew it well because he had cut his teeth on Derek & The Dominoes

A small-town summertime beer bust '79-after a local garage band played The Promised Land, I asked the singer/guitarist if they knew any other Grateful Dead songs. To quote a line from A Christmas Story, he looked at me as if I had lobsters coming out of my ears. "Grateful Dead?!? That's a Chuck Berry song."

One other thing: once I played Goin Down the Road Feelin' Bad for my Mom and she said they left out the verse that said "Feed me on cold biscuits and gravy." She knew a thing or two about biscuits and gravy, too, let me tell you.

Word to the wise, though: do what the Grateful Dead did and expose yourself to just as much different music as you possibly can. You'll be glad you did.



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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:06pm
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Bless it are the peacemakers...

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:14pm
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I knew Fantasy was Traffic the first time I heard it as well - just like I knew Stir it up was Marley (I'm probably wrong!) when I heard it in Philly. I obviously hear alot of other music - parties,bars,etc... I just don't put anything on at home (when alone) or in the car that isn't Dead or Dylan - what do u want me to tell ya.

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Poster: Robony Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:21pm
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A great place to start is pick a couple of the covers and find the original artist's version. Sing Me Back Home really turned me on to Merle. It's fun and non-fattening!!

As to the flaming about only listening to the Dead...
Lighten up Francis. He was only being honest.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:32pm
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Agreed - listening to the original artists is a good thing to do. But if you're only listening to the Dead - you won't be, will you?

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:30pm
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yeah I scooped out Sammy (hope I'm gettin this one right!) after I heard Harder They Come - but after I heard it did I ever pop in Sammy's and not Jer's - I don't think so.

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:35pm
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don't know how to edit (closed mind!) - just had a flash - I think? it was Jimmy Cliff not Sam Cliff - my bad.

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Poster: Robony Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:34pm
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Absolutely. It's very rare that I don't prefer the GD/JG versions, with the obvious exceptions being most of the 90's covers among others. Alot of the JGB covers are interesting in thier own right especially the traditionals.

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:40pm
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with sing me back home being as good as it gets

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Poster: Robony Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:44pm
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I don't know about as good as it gets, but very good. Merle sang it with a little more honest emotion (IMHO) than Jerry, probably 'cuz he lived it. What Merle's version lacks of course is Jerome's geetar.

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Poster: high flow Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:44pm
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Well, I recommend any head listen to the artists who influenced Jerry. The 'Harder They Come' soundtrack is a great place to start. Jimmy Cliff, the reggae soul w/ a voice like Marvin Gaye. Desmond Dekker, also a great singer.

I'd be happy to send a non-GD care package to anybody who is willing to open their ears...andy@gemut.com

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Poster: Ssag Date: Dec 27, 2006 12:38pm
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Do you have any idea what you are missing.

I dont want to be mean to you but if you are not being sarcastic then you are some of the Deadheads I have spoken about in the past that doesnt have a clue. Not trying to be mean man but if you are serious then you have a huge problem with open mindedness like I am being right now towards you. That single mindedness turned me off to Deadheads once upon a time and its why some outside of our world think we are a bunch of clueless idiots.

Anyhow, I like the Sweet Virginia one, that might have been hilarous to have heard.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:41pm
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You know the ironic thing is THE STONES and all those other British Bands got their sound from African-American musicians
who could not even get a decent Hotel room or a seat on the freakin bus in the United States.
We as Americans are probably the ultimate hypocrites because it took Elvis and the Beatles to sell soul music to mainstream America . Nat King Cole could not even get advertisers for his T.V. show.

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:12pm
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hypocrite

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:15pm
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how so?

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:22pm
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he has the "rights" to open mindness?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:27pm
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I don't think he was claiming that - but perhaps I'll leave the man to answer for himself.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:03pm
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Hey but look at it this way, A deadhead who has only listened to the Dead still has more musical variety in their bones then most of the country raised on top 40 radio.

I don't know who did it originally but I would have loved the Dead to do "Light Up or Leave me alone" Is that Traffic?

You know Bill the Drummer had a ditty he used to do with the Krutzman-Morgan Band
"I was Born in a whorehouse
Raised as a slave..." ------- but i digress

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:19pm
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Maybe so, maybe so. But said Dead-only deadhead is somewhat narrowly focused and missing out on a heck of a lot.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:25pm
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Yes, perhaps but Ssag might be wound a little tight. You know I walked away from the scene too but I really don't have time or energy to sit in judgement of anyone else. Wherever we are at on a personal level is just our own business.
I loved spinning & had some good friends who hung with the spinners and they loved the music, my friends were gentle and kind, I prefer to take each person one at a time, if you want to suggest music to someone, that's cool, but the brother was just being honest about his music preferences, THIS IS A DEADHEAD SITE!
Sometimes I do not know a persons heart by their words but the brothers strong response "Hypocrite" means you have probably offended him.

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:40pm
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no offense was taken

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:40pm
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I also prefer to take each person as they come on his or her own merits, but the one-word response 'hypocrite' hardly opens the door to meaningful discussion of any kind. Basically, its little more than name-calling. Really I don't much care what your point of view is if you're prepared to justify and defend it. Unless we live our lives alone, 'who we are on the personal level' inevitably has some impact on those around us. And yes, this may be in name a Grateful Dead forum but it's an indication of the richness in thought and experience of the people here that very often that's just the launching point for some pretty wonderful discussions on all manner of things.

By the way - could someone please explain to me what 'spinners' are? I'm afraid that branch of the family passed me by.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:51pm
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FWIW:

Very few, if any, people on the Grateful Dead Tour would admit to believing that they thought Jerry Garcia was God, but the widespread belief that the Deadheads were a personality cult who worshipped Garcia persisted. This was most evident in the rumors and mystery surrounding The Spinners (more formally, The Family of Unlimited Devotion). The Spinners were a communal group of young people in peasant dresses and other austere clothing who would twirl in the hallways of Deadshows and were often seen prostrate on the floor of the venues after Garcia would finish songs.

When asked about the Spinners, Garcia replied, "They're kind of like our Sufis. I think it's really great that there's a place where they can be comfortable enough to do something with such abandon. It's nice to provide that. That's one of the things I'm proud of the Grateful Dead for. It's like free turf."12.

When asked how he felt about the Jerry is God phenomena, Garcia responded with characteristic humor, "Anybody who thinks I'm God should talk to my kids." Did he mind being the focal point of a religious group? "Well, I'll put up with it until they come for me with the cross and the nails."13.

Caroline Rago, formerly a core member of the Family of Unlimited Devotion, said that the idea that they believed Jerry was God was a misconception. In the Spinner cosmology, she likened him more to an avatar -- describing a role similar in many respects to the one attributed to Bob Marley by Rastafarians. "He was the cosmic minstrel who provided the channel," she said.14.

Well into his eighties, the prominent mythologist Joseph Campbell discovered the Grateful Dead. Not usually a fan of rock 'n' roll, Campbell's interest was piqued by the Dead's myth making capacity. After attending a concert and seeing the audiences interest and enthusiasm, he claimed that they were "the antidote to the atom bomb."15.

http://www.ulster.net/~shady/deadisti.html


Some folks trust to reason
Others trust to might
I don't trust to nothing
But I know it come out right

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:55pm
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after Jerry died, Barlow referred to him as an avatar, too. However you saw that, or the whole scene in general, the man had something that separated him from the pack. I never saw him as a God, by any means-I mean, gimme a break, fer cryin' in a bucket-but I did get swept up in that powerful presence he had. I was alone in that regard, though, wasn't I?

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:20pm
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that's amazing - does the Family still exist? I think you are stretching it a little to the detriment of the original questioner? I mean there were spinners at the beginning - look at a video from the early days. I remember having some religious cults try to recruit me in lots after shows - but I thought they were the Hari ... from Utah. To me the spinners being referred to is just the people that "spinned" constantly while dancing? I would love to hear from somebody that was actually part of something they believe/ed was a religious experience entwined with the boys. If it existed somebody should be lurking on this site - no? I'm going to check out that other link.

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Poster: rabbseye Date: Sep 13, 2010 7:21pm
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eye went to guilford high school in ct.
met doug who introduced me to tim in 1981.
years later eye traveled to california and saw my 1st west coast shows and doug introduced me to unlimited devotion.
thus recalling my guilford high school faces whom eye had known a little in 81.
joined up with them and really adapted the spinning methods to the experiences eye was having then.
they lived in a beautiful way when eye went back to northern california with them in philo.
amazing experience eye am still greatly inspired in the spinning techniques, anyone interested in hearing more on this contact me'
very interesting time in my travels am very grateful for douger introducing mee to the tribe ty

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:58pm
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Thank you very much for that, bluedevil. I appreciate you taking the time to give such an interesting response.

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:52pm
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My experience were that was people who were just taking the shows like a sacrament or a religious experience, On the dress side that was very long skirts and not always great hygeine, it was clicky, for sure but I don't think it was harmful. It was amazing spinning during a show, certainly not for the rugged individualistic type but as the saying goes different strokes, for different folks,
Sorry, if my reply did not help matters , I am pretty high strung at times.
"Why Can't we all just get along"
Rodney King

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:38pm
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I wasn't trying to open conversation - just trying to get him to open his mind - my little gift

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:46pm
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and you thought that was going to turn the key?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:49pm
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and i thought the "mind opening" attempt was the other way around between those two - maybe i missed something ;)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:00pm
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Don't reckon you missed much at all, big guy. Move along, folks. Nothing to see here ...

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Poster: ducats Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:16pm
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once in a while .......

there sure is a handful of you on here that make me laugh (thank you for that) with your pompousness

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:36pm
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if i'm one of the handful - thanks for the compliment!

(i really could have taken off with and had fun with this - praise the Lord for the Holiday Spirit)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:26pm
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"somewhat narrowly focused"?????

you are being too kind with your phraseology

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:29pm
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Hey Dire - I just thought sorry assed motherf...er was maybe just a little too much for the holiday season :-)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:02pm
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good point my friend! the holiday spirit is still alive and well as it should be

hope your Holiday was wonderful over way yonder :)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:10pm
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The girls and I had a really nice time, Dire. Hope you did too. Got my brother-in-law and his family, maybe a couple of others, arriving for new year so it should be a fun gathering.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:19pm
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had a great time with my girls too - that is what it is all about ain't it?!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:46pm
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huh? there's other bands out there??
I would have liked to see them cover Season of the witch and A Whiter Shade of Pale

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 27, 2006 3:31pm
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Season ot the Witch... now that would have been SOMETHING!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:15pm
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Light Up Or Leave Me Alone is most defintely a song by Traffic and was from the Low Spark of High-Heeled Boys album, a record that was heard infinitely more around the dorms in college than, say, Mr. Fantasy, as I might have indicated in my reply to ducats elsewhere in this thread. Low Spark is another song that surely would have gotten good treatment from the Dead, too, but the subject matter of glam rockers did not necessarily fit in that well with the rest of their oeuvre.

Oeuvre-how's that for being totally pretentious? Can I get an amen from robthewordsmith?

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 27, 2006 12:01pm
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Jimi Hendrix that is... :)

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 27, 2006 11:56am
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Sweet Virginia - Stones off of Exile On Main Street (got to scrape the shit right off of your shoe . . .)

Wading through the waste stormy winter
And theres not a friend to help you through
Trying to stop the waves behind your eyeballs
Drop your reds drop your greens and blues

Thank you for your wine, california
Thank you for your sweet and bitter fruits
Yes, Ive got the desert in my toenail
And hid the speed inside my shoe

But come on come on down sweet virginia
Come on honey child I beg of you

Come on come on down you got it in you
Got to scrape that shit right off your shoes

3rd Stone from the Sun? The one and only Jimi

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:13pm
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Third Stone From the Sun: Jimi Hendrix Experience (total psychedelic jam)
Sweet Virginia: Rolling Stones (from Exile On Main Street-has a great line saying you've got to scrape the shit right off your shoes)

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:25pm
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Did the Dead ever do Dead Flowers? That would have been worth hearing...

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:42pm
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Dead Flowers was not a GD cover, but who was it in that whole scene that did do it? New Riders? Old And In The Way? Somebody help me out here.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 27, 2006 1:47pm
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David Nelson Band does it pretty regularly, not sure if NRPS or Old & in the Way do/did it...

And furthurmore... POBox or street address? Still going to try to send today if time permits...

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Poster: BryanE Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:09pm
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Cush-
Go ahead and send it to the street address. And I got another one of those phantom e-mails. Were you asking the same question?
Thanks.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:12pm
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Sure was, stupid yahoo...

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Poster: Ssag Date: Dec 27, 2006 2:58pm
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The NRPS did it all the time after the departure of Jerry and CO.. It was their big tune to do at encore in the 70's and I believe they still do it.